5th Amendment Violation

By ordering the assassination of American citizen Anwar Al-Awlaki, Obama violated the 5th amendment right to due process and cooperated in an evil that no Catholic can condone.  Kyle Cupp at Vox Nova warns us of the slippery slope that we are well on our way down.  God help us.


10 Responses to 5th Amendment Violation

  1. Marc says:

    I don’t know what all the fuss is about? They do this to babies everyday, so what is the difference?

  2. Thanks for the referral to Vox Nova. On the topic, I’d like to see the discussion widen out a bit to include the so-called just war doctrine that recognizes there are circumstances that warrant exception to the commandment “You shall not kill.” The doctrine has provided a centuries old method to sanction killing of others by a government, is not tied to concepts of due process and may justify the extra-legal execution that occurred here.

  3. Mark W says:

    I’m not an American. Can I get a clarification? Is it alright as stated in the 5th amendment to assassinate a person of any other nationality?

  4. Martha M says:

    As far as I understand, the 5th Amendment only comes into play if the person is an American citizen. It’s not legal to assassinate a person of any other nationality for any reason. The discussion here is whether it’s okay, if an American citizen is collaborating with or supporting an enemy nation/group, for the U.S. government to target them for assassination when they are determined to be an enemy combatant. There are other treaties/laws that deal with foreign-born enemies, and the 5th Amendment only comes into play in this instance because the man in question was born in the U.S.

    Hope that helps!

  5. Martha M says:

    Sorry, I need to clarify: It’s not legal to assassinate someone from another nation with no good reason. There needs to be a serious reason, generally related to a wartime situation or a threat to the U.S., to have someone assassinated at all.

    Also, I found the text of the 5th Amendment, just for the curious:

    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.[

  6. Peter Wolczuk says:

    Once the foot is in the door how far is an interpretation likely to go? Could it include civil rights advocates who are accused of “threatening” national security by wanting money diverted from the war machine to feed starving children … or a clergyman who holds prayer meetings to plead for God to intervene in an increasingly totalarian state … or someone who points out how many more problems the country has since legislators, courts, etc cut prayer and bible reading out of schools and elsewhere and, basically, asking God to keep out of our lives – then turn around and asking how He could stand by and let terrible things happen …or…?

    • Martha M says:

      Peter, maybe I’m misunderstanding you. Are you suggesting that if it’s legal for the U.S. to target an American-born enemy combatant hiding out in a foreign country that it would also be legal for them to claim the things you mention are threatening enough to U.S. security to do the same?

      • Peter Wolczuk says:

        Pardon me for my ve-e-ry late reply. I guess that I was in a hurry and didn’t very well express my belief that authorizing one very murderous killing could lead to progressively going into much worse as those who condone and commit the act rationalize the progression of the severe misconduct bit by bit.

  7. Whats that theological Ethical Moral norm, greater or lesser of two evils…. Cut open the patient to remove the cancer.

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