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	<title>Comments on: Homily for the 5th Sunday of Easter, Year B: God is Greater than our Hearts</title>
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		<title>By: Peter Wolczuk</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter Wolczuk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 17:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was quite taken with this but couldn&#039;t think of anything to comment with until my morning bible reading for today brought me to Job 32 and the first verse caught my attention &quot;So these three men stopped answering Job, because he was righteous in his own eyes.&quot;
Although I&#039;m sure that I&#039;ve read this line a number of times, this morning it was almost like it leapt right off the page and shook me through and through.
How often, in my life, had I checked off the &quot;God box&quot; in the shallows of myself and concluded; in my own perception of my heart; that I was righteous. Been to church fairly recently on some Sunday or another - tick one box. Volunteered now and again to help those less fortunate - tick another box. But, when God looked beyond those superficial things and into my heart, what did He see? The times that my Saturday night antics, so often, led to me missing church on yet another Sunday after I shut the alarm off and flung it against the wall.
My life going downhill as a result of my increasing dependence on alcohol while I sought the advice of friends who told me things that were comfortable. Once in a while one of them would mention something that was a little uncomfortable, but that amounted to no more than a little spice on fluffy pseudo food in order to make it seem nourishing. The same kind of advice that I offered them. Fare trade kinda sorta. Filler instead of nourishment going both ways like in the first chapter of the Book of Daniel where Daniel teaches one of Nebuchadnezzar&#039;s officials how to do a scientific experiment so that he (Daniel) and friends could get some real nourishment.
What about the discomfort of the truth which Jesus gave us to set us free, John 8:32? Well, there was a sort of flipping around checking out miracles instead of facing that sort of truth. There were other spiritual teachers whom one could read. Buddha, Kung Fu Tse (Confucius) and many more whose teachings were logical and comfortable but didn&#039;t help against emotional and spiritual sickness. Maybe that&#039;s why they became so popular in the late part of the last century. Comfortable.
It wasn&#039;t until I accepted that I was not comfortable and that I had to experience the truth that God gave us and not the imitations of how to become famous for supposed humility. The other stuff didn&#039;t cause pain by blowing my illusions out of the water as they, instead, encouraged me to judge my own degree of righteousness. However the water bouying me up was fetid and distasteful but I could hide from that with another drink, another drug or another distracting and self destructive behaviour. Those illusions directed me from my heart to another illusionary and superficial feel.
When I turned to God&#039;s gift of the Twelve Steps of Recovery and found Him mentioned there I was left wondering why so many of the Twelve Step groups keep so silent about turning to Him. Embraced His help and the stress which is put on facing the uncomfortable feelings and the lies which I&#039;d created around them. Things I&#039;d buried at a terrible cost; emotional security, financial security, self respect and ... what about that lake of fire after. Didn&#039;t want to think about that so turned to ways to keep me from thinking about it and how much it was my own efforts that were steering me that way.
Jesus was willing to die for us through truth and righteousnous, and not by being comfortable but by the Cross.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was quite taken with this but couldn&#8217;t think of anything to comment with until my morning bible reading for today brought me to Job 32 and the first verse caught my attention &#8220;So these three men stopped answering Job, because he was righteous in his own eyes.&#8221;<br />
Although I&#8217;m sure that I&#8217;ve read this line a number of times, this morning it was almost like it leapt right off the page and shook me through and through.<br />
How often, in my life, had I checked off the &#8220;God box&#8221; in the shallows of myself and concluded; in my own perception of my heart; that I was righteous. Been to church fairly recently on some Sunday or another &#8211; tick one box. Volunteered now and again to help those less fortunate &#8211; tick another box. But, when God looked beyond those superficial things and into my heart, what did He see? The times that my Saturday night antics, so often, led to me missing church on yet another Sunday after I shut the alarm off and flung it against the wall.<br />
My life going downhill as a result of my increasing dependence on alcohol while I sought the advice of friends who told me things that were comfortable. Once in a while one of them would mention something that was a little uncomfortable, but that amounted to no more than a little spice on fluffy pseudo food in order to make it seem nourishing. The same kind of advice that I offered them. Fare trade kinda sorta. Filler instead of nourishment going both ways like in the first chapter of the Book of Daniel where Daniel teaches one of Nebuchadnezzar&#8217;s officials how to do a scientific experiment so that he (Daniel) and friends could get some real nourishment.<br />
What about the discomfort of the truth which Jesus gave us to set us free, John 8:32? Well, there was a sort of flipping around checking out miracles instead of facing that sort of truth. There were other spiritual teachers whom one could read. Buddha, Kung Fu Tse (Confucius) and many more whose teachings were logical and comfortable but didn&#8217;t help against emotional and spiritual sickness. Maybe that&#8217;s why they became so popular in the late part of the last century. Comfortable.<br />
It wasn&#8217;t until I accepted that I was not comfortable and that I had to experience the truth that God gave us and not the imitations of how to become famous for supposed humility. The other stuff didn&#8217;t cause pain by blowing my illusions out of the water as they, instead, encouraged me to judge my own degree of righteousness. However the water bouying me up was fetid and distasteful but I could hide from that with another drink, another drug or another distracting and self destructive behaviour. Those illusions directed me from my heart to another illusionary and superficial feel.<br />
When I turned to God&#8217;s gift of the Twelve Steps of Recovery and found Him mentioned there I was left wondering why so many of the Twelve Step groups keep so silent about turning to Him. Embraced His help and the stress which is put on facing the uncomfortable feelings and the lies which I&#8217;d created around them. Things I&#8217;d buried at a terrible cost; emotional security, financial security, self respect and &#8230; what about that lake of fire after. Didn&#8217;t want to think about that so turned to ways to keep me from thinking about it and how much it was my own efforts that were steering me that way.<br />
Jesus was willing to die for us through truth and righteousnous, and not by being comfortable but by the Cross.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Pidel, SJ</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aaron Pidel, SJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 15:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The logic of this sequence of verses is, admittedly, pretty hard to reconstruct.  I suppose I presumed that, since he was speaking of reassuring our hearts by examining whether we&#039;re loving in deed and truth, there was a condemnation of the heart that went deeper than the intellectual or ethical sphere.  Once reassured by this reality check, our hearts can then approach God boldly.  I don&#039;t know if I would say that the condemnation is entirely false (these &quot;distortions&quot; and &quot;wounds&quot; are very real).  Total salvation would include the healing of this diffuse &quot;sinfulness&quot; or &quot;brokenness&quot; as well as the forgiveness of our discrete sins.  But it would be wrong to confuse this sort of condemnation (the rebellion of our unruly feelings) with properly moral condemnation (the guilt at having chosen to break a commandment).  I was taking John to mean that God understands the limits of our fallen condition, and that he has the ability to reach those places within us that we can&#039;t.  This &quot;untwisting&quot; of our nature will be complete in heaven.  But we can make significant progress on earth (with God&#039;s help).  In the mystical tradition this happens most notably in the passive purgations, but it also takes place more commonly in forms of &quot;healing prayer&quot; and in God&#039;s providence over the circumstances of our life.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The logic of this sequence of verses is, admittedly, pretty hard to reconstruct.  I suppose I presumed that, since he was speaking of reassuring our hearts by examining whether we&#8217;re loving in deed and truth, there was a condemnation of the heart that went deeper than the intellectual or ethical sphere.  Once reassured by this reality check, our hearts can then approach God boldly.  I don&#8217;t know if I would say that the condemnation is entirely false (these &#8220;distortions&#8221; and &#8220;wounds&#8221; are very real).  Total salvation would include the healing of this diffuse &#8220;sinfulness&#8221; or &#8220;brokenness&#8221; as well as the forgiveness of our discrete sins.  But it would be wrong to confuse this sort of condemnation (the rebellion of our unruly feelings) with properly moral condemnation (the guilt at having chosen to break a commandment).  I was taking John to mean that God understands the limits of our fallen condition, and that he has the ability to reach those places within us that we can&#8217;t.  This &#8220;untwisting&#8221; of our nature will be complete in heaven.  But we can make significant progress on earth (with God&#8217;s help).  In the mystical tradition this happens most notably in the passive purgations, but it also takes place more commonly in forms of &#8220;healing prayer&#8221; and in God&#8217;s providence over the circumstances of our life.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 14:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I found this homily consoling, particularly the idea that “God is greater than our hearts,” and that the condemnation we experience - if I&#039;ve understood the homily correctly - may not be in line with reality, as in: &quot;We can be haunted in similar way by our own past sins, even after repentance...&quot;.  My sense is that  those &quot;&#039;accusations&#039; that originate from a place deeper than our own thinking and willing,&quot; that &quot;come from the roots of life itself, from the twisty depths over which we have little control,&quot; while very &#039;real&#039; in our experience, may not be the truth.

And yet, I&#039;ve struggled to reconcile this take with the actual reading itself, at least in part, because it says that: &quot;if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence in God and receive from him whatever we ask, because we keep his commandments and do what pleases him&quot; - but what if our hearts do condemn us?  By implication, do we or should we then have no confidence in God?  What if we have not kept his commandments and done what pleases him?  

Our love in deed and truth, if lacking, seems to me to indicate that we do not then have any grounds to &quot;reassure our hearts before him in whatever our hearts condemn.&quot;  

That is at least how I understood the logic of John&#039;s point, though admittedly, I don&#039;t then understand what he means about God being greater than our hearts and knowing everything.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this homily consoling, particularly the idea that “God is greater than our hearts,” and that the condemnation we experience &#8211; if I&#8217;ve understood the homily correctly &#8211; may not be in line with reality, as in: &#8220;We can be haunted in similar way by our own past sins, even after repentance&#8230;&#8221;.  My sense is that  those &#8220;&#8216;accusations&#8217; that originate from a place deeper than our own thinking and willing,&#8221; that &#8220;come from the roots of life itself, from the twisty depths over which we have little control,&#8221; while very &#8216;real&#8217; in our experience, may not be the truth.</p>
<p>And yet, I&#8217;ve struggled to reconcile this take with the actual reading itself, at least in part, because it says that: &#8220;if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence in God and receive from him whatever we ask, because we keep his commandments and do what pleases him&#8221; &#8211; but what if our hearts do condemn us?  By implication, do we or should we then have no confidence in God?  What if we have not kept his commandments and done what pleases him?  </p>
<p>Our love in deed and truth, if lacking, seems to me to indicate that we do not then have any grounds to &#8220;reassure our hearts before him in whatever our hearts condemn.&#8221;  </p>
<p>That is at least how I understood the logic of John&#8217;s point, though admittedly, I don&#8217;t then understand what he means about God being greater than our hearts and knowing everything.</p>
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