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	<title>Comments on: René Girard &amp; Christian Sacrifice, Part I</title>
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		<title>By: More Girard&#8230; &#171; Whosoever Desires</title>
		<link>http://whosoeverdesires.wordpress.com/2010/03/28/rene-girard-christian-sacrifice-part-i/#comment-2828</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[More Girard&#8230; &#171; Whosoever Desires]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] some of the ideas from earlier discussion here on Whosoever Desires.  (The original posts are here and [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] some of the ideas from earlier discussion here on Whosoever Desires.  (The original posts are here and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: cynthia r. nielsen</title>
		<link>http://whosoeverdesires.wordpress.com/2010/03/28/rene-girard-christian-sacrifice-part-i/#comment-2381</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cynthia r. nielsen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 13:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Would you consider condensing your series on Girard and participating in a series I am hosting at Per Caritatem? The link provides more details: 
http://percaritatem.com/2010/09/04/a-call-for-guests-posts-violence-and-christian-holy-writ/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would you consider condensing your series on Girard and participating in a series I am hosting at Per Caritatem? The link provides more details:<br />
<a href="http://percaritatem.com/2010/09/04/a-call-for-guests-posts-violence-and-christian-holy-writ/" rel="nofollow">http://percaritatem.com/2010/09/04/a-call-for-guests-posts-violence-and-christian-holy-writ/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dressing Korean &#171; Whosoever Desires</title>
		<link>http://whosoeverdesires.wordpress.com/2010/03/28/rene-girard-christian-sacrifice-part-i/#comment-2182</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dressing Korean &#171; Whosoever Desires]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Aug 2010 16:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...]  I’ve blogged about the French-born anthropologist Rene Girard before (here’s my summary of key Girardian ideas); what I find particularly insightful in his work is the emphasis he places on how our desires [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  I’ve blogged about the French-born anthropologist Rene Girard before (here’s my summary of key Girardian ideas); what I find particularly insightful in his work is the emphasis he places on how our desires [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Girard, sacrifice, and the (Holy Sacrifice of the) Mass, Part II &#171; Whosoever Desires</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Girard, sacrifice, and the (Holy Sacrifice of the) Mass, Part II &#171; Whosoever Desires]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 20:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] sacrifice, and the (Holy Sacrifice of the) Mass, Part&#160;II  Two weeks ago I offered a summary of René Girard’s I See Satan Fall Like Lightning.  Girard’s insights into the origins of [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] sacrifice, and the (Holy Sacrifice of the) Mass, Part&nbsp;II  Two weeks ago I offered a summary of René Girard’s I See Satan Fall Like Lightning.  Girard’s insights into the origins of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Virgilijus Kaulius</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Virgilijus Kaulius]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Qualis Rex:
   To maybe help contextualize our Christianity,
since we don&#039;t yet have a Theology of History,
is the instructive simple but profound observation
of C.S. Lewis:
- once Christianity arrived on the world stage,
most &#039;blood-letting&#039; rites plus related pagan
religious practises were both replaced and displaced
by our Mass, and core values, respecting life!

Pagan rites were heavy with blood rites, killing of
virgins, u-name-it! Most forget how bad it was!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Qualis Rex:<br />
   To maybe help contextualize our Christianity,<br />
since we don&#8217;t yet have a Theology of History,<br />
is the instructive simple but profound observation<br />
of C.S. Lewis:<br />
- once Christianity arrived on the world stage,<br />
most &#8216;blood-letting&#8217; rites plus related pagan<br />
religious practises were both replaced and displaced<br />
by our Mass, and core values, respecting life!</p>
<p>Pagan rites were heavy with blood rites, killing of<br />
virgins, u-name-it! Most forget how bad it was!</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Lusvardi, SJ</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anthony Lusvardi, SJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 21:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent identification of the issue, Andrew:  what does this mean for the sacrifice of the Mass?  I actually first became interested in Girard because I read a theologian who used Girard to try to take the &quot;sacrifice&quot; out of Mass...  Girard himself is a fairly traditional Roman Catholic, so I don&#039;t think his work necessarily leads us in an Anglican direction.  

I&#039;ll try to argue out this point when I next post on Girard, and I&#039;ll be interested to see what you think...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent identification of the issue, Andrew:  what does this mean for the sacrifice of the Mass?  I actually first became interested in Girard because I read a theologian who used Girard to try to take the &#8220;sacrifice&#8221; out of Mass&#8230;  Girard himself is a fairly traditional Roman Catholic, so I don&#8217;t think his work necessarily leads us in an Anglican direction.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll try to argue out this point when I next post on Girard, and I&#8217;ll be interested to see what you think&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Qualis Rex</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Qualis Rex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 17:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[GREAT post, Anthony!  While I am unfamiliar with Girard, his work definitely sounds inspired by &quot;Utopia&quot; and St Thomas More (Pray for us!)  I don&#039;t know if he uses the term &quot;state of nature&quot; as coined by Jean-Jacques Rousseau, but it is essentially the same concept: that we as humans are prone both to covetting and violence (what we in Christianity know is &quot;original sin&quot; or the &quot;survival instinct&quot;). 

Ironically, covetting is essentially what the US is founded upon.  The &quot;keeping up with the Jones&#039;&quot; or &quot;one-upmanship&quot; si what this capitalistic/consumeristic economy is based upon. To espouse an abandonment of covetting at all levels is tantamount to heresy in our society.  And unfortunately, this consumerism is also the principle export of the US (as opposed to Christianity). We have a long way to go towards acknowledging the divine as a model for human perfection, rather than what we possess in relation to others.  And yes, I would wholeheartedly support the fact that the latter is actually Satanic. Sounds harsh, but there it is (and I&#039;m just as guilty as the next consumer at times).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GREAT post, Anthony!  While I am unfamiliar with Girard, his work definitely sounds inspired by &#8220;Utopia&#8221; and St Thomas More (Pray for us!)  I don&#8217;t know if he uses the term &#8220;state of nature&#8221; as coined by Jean-Jacques Rousseau, but it is essentially the same concept: that we as humans are prone both to covetting and violence (what we in Christianity know is &#8220;original sin&#8221; or the &#8220;survival instinct&#8221;). </p>
<p>Ironically, covetting is essentially what the US is founded upon.  The &#8220;keeping up with the Jones&#8217;&#8221; or &#8220;one-upmanship&#8221; si what this capitalistic/consumeristic economy is based upon. To espouse an abandonment of covetting at all levels is tantamount to heresy in our society.  And unfortunately, this consumerism is also the principle export of the US (as opposed to Christianity). We have a long way to go towards acknowledging the divine as a model for human perfection, rather than what we possess in relation to others.  And yes, I would wholeheartedly support the fact that the latter is actually Satanic. Sounds harsh, but there it is (and I&#8217;m just as guilty as the next consumer at times).</p>
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		<title>By: Virgilijus Kaulius</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Virgilijus Kaulius]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 08:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting to get some summarizations of Rene&#039;s
thought, thanks!

Locally, an Emeritus UBC Anthropology Prof. as a
practising Christian, for me, seems to bring more
comparative order to this discussion, when he gave 
our Newman Association a lecture on precisely this
topic, in essence saying:

- all discovered past civilizations had some form of
&quot;religion&quot; without exception, proving a quest for
transcendence beyond ourselves, that there is
&quot;something&quot; out there, above us! (This atheistic
authors always ignore in their attempted failed  books
against theism, against god!)

- all such religions converged on commonalities! They
did not go out and create their own wheel, so to
speak!

- most such religions within their rites, &quot;point&quot; to 
traits which later came into existence once
Christianity came into existence! Things like
a surrogate victim who had/has to die, virginity
of a relational female, blood rites and blood letting,
vicarious one for the many, and so on!

- this same convergence phenomenon, this sameness of
discoveries, C.S. Lewis specifically zeroes in on in his own masterpiece &quot;Til We Have Faces.&quot; In it, he traces the history of human mythology to its maturation point within Greek mythology, showing how
it prefaces in expectation due to its structural
content, what later came into being in Christianity!
 
Anyway, God is not dead: He is just screening His calls! And most of the time He doesn&#039;t answer because
of His workload!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting to get some summarizations of Rene&#8217;s<br />
thought, thanks!</p>
<p>Locally, an Emeritus UBC Anthropology Prof. as a<br />
practising Christian, for me, seems to bring more<br />
comparative order to this discussion, when he gave<br />
our Newman Association a lecture on precisely this<br />
topic, in essence saying:</p>
<p>- all discovered past civilizations had some form of<br />
&#8220;religion&#8221; without exception, proving a quest for<br />
transcendence beyond ourselves, that there is<br />
&#8220;something&#8221; out there, above us! (This atheistic<br />
authors always ignore in their attempted failed  books<br />
against theism, against god!)</p>
<p>- all such religions converged on commonalities! They<br />
did not go out and create their own wheel, so to<br />
speak!</p>
<p>- most such religions within their rites, &#8220;point&#8221; to<br />
traits which later came into existence once<br />
Christianity came into existence! Things like<br />
a surrogate victim who had/has to die, virginity<br />
of a relational female, blood rites and blood letting,<br />
vicarious one for the many, and so on!</p>
<p>- this same convergence phenomenon, this sameness of<br />
discoveries, C.S. Lewis specifically zeroes in on in his own masterpiece &#8220;Til We Have Faces.&#8221; In it, he traces the history of human mythology to its maturation point within Greek mythology, showing how<br />
it prefaces in expectation due to its structural<br />
content, what later came into being in Christianity!</p>
<p>Anyway, God is not dead: He is just screening His calls! And most of the time He doesn&#8217;t answer because<br />
of His workload!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Cottrill</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew Cottrill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 02:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Except that we believe in the sacrifice of the Mass... which makes this an awesome Anglican theory?  Because wouldn&#039;t we be continuing the cycle of violence every mass?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except that we believe in the sacrifice of the Mass&#8230; which makes this an awesome Anglican theory?  Because wouldn&#8217;t we be continuing the cycle of violence every mass?</p>
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